Adding voiceover marketing to your video or audio? Don’t start with the voice. But don’t skimp on it, either| RGR 076


If you ask an experienced voiceover artist like Kane Jungbluth-Murry what’s the most important thing about producing a video or commercial, you might expect him to say, “Hiring me.” He doesn’t. He says it’s “understanding your audience.” Voiceover marketing requires precision.

That’s the only way your script will come across the way you want it to.” Kane says watch other samples of content and, if possible, read their scripts … “as many things as you can that are like things you want to make.” And then — hire the right voice. We can’t all have Kane’s silky baritone, but when it tells you, “Not everybody can do voiceover. The wrong voice ruins the best script,” believe it.


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In today’s episode of Rise, Grind, Repeat, we talked to Kane, who’s a professional voiceover actor, talking about the struggles that he’s faced and how he overcame them to become a professional in his industry. Let’s dive right in. Kane thank you so much for coming in and joining on another episode of Rise, Grind, Repeat. I’m pumped for this because it’s, you know, we talk a lot to a lot of people that are business owners doing their thing. There’s a lot of people that do on SEO don’t meet too many people that are talented when it comes to voiceovers voice talent. And so I’m sure you guys listening can already hear it. Oh, yeah. Hey, guys. I love it. But before we get into kind of what what you’re doing and what the future looks like, we’d love to hear more of, of your backstory. How did you find out that you had this talent when it comes to voiceover and what What’s your story?


My story? Well, I’m from here, Chandler, Arizona, born and raised the Chandler Regional Hospital, I went to Corona Del Sol go Aztecs. And I got into voiceover honestly, on accident, but backtracking a little bit more. I was in choir and musical theater growing up. So I was a big, vocal kid. And so getting into my teens and doing more of the musical stuff, and dancing, and of course, being in choir, I learned how to train and use my voice. But it wasn’t until after graduating and I was going to go to a school in Hollywood, called American Musical and Dramatic Academy, that I decided that I wanted to really, really be involved in the Hollywood scene, and involved in that type of industry. So anyways, fast forward, back, see me fast forward again. I gotten the voiceover by really hitting the pavement literally, grinding hard on what I wanted, I learned that I wanted to do voiceover honestly, based off my grandma. I didn’t know what it was until she told me about it. And she specifically said that I could work in my pajamas and ride in the limo to studios. So I was sold. I was like, Okay, I’m already here in Hollywood, I might as well find something cool to do, because being on camera is really difficult. So I started in voiceover by my tattoo artist, Danny Rockman. She was tattooing my then agent, Alyssa Gentoo, and she had said, Hey, what do you do for a living? Danny asked her and she’s like, why do I work in voiceover? I’m an assistant like, Oh, I have this guy that you listen to on YouTube. So at the time, I had a YouTube video that 2012 a YouTube video of me doing a movie trailer for Hotel Transylvania. So it was it wasn’t anything actually booked. Fun, but it got me in the door with my agent. So they heard the video, they called me in for a couple of meetings, and I got signed. So I’ve been signed into voiceover for eight years now. Yeah, that’s crazy. That’s awesome. So


as this was happening, I mean, it sounds like you’re on YouTube, you were kind of you weren’t getting booked for stuff. But you were doing examples and whatnot. So what does that process of grinding look like for voiceover talents, I mean, podcasts Rise, Grind, Repeat, we’re all about that life. And what does that look like for you,


man for voiceover actor it is, it’s all at home. And in the one spot you work in, like it’s your closet or your desk, it’s all at home. And it’s all done with you. So it doesn’t you think it made me have to do all these different things that you know, with the marketing and reaching out when you do, but as far as like actually learning and understanding your voice that is huge when it comes to voiceover. So everything else had to trickle down afterwards, you know, getting to meet more people, marketing myself, that kind of stuff. I had to learn how to use my voice, and learn how to understand it and learn how to hear it. As one thing most people aren’t used to hearing your voice. It sounds different than when you hear it then when somebody else hears it. So getting used to that. And then also mic etiquette, and so having to practice on a daily basis. So initially, when I started out, I went and bought equipment the same day, I got signed at Guitar Center, pewter, got a microphone interface, everything, set it all up, had my first audition for American Express. And it was terrible. It sounded awful. And I had no idea what I was doing. So the really the process of becoming a better voiceover actor has taken place over the past eight years. I have always tell people, I mean, I’ve been signed for now almost eight years. And but I’ve only really been booking for the past three. So the first five years, were really just grinding it out with paper in my hand reading through scripts, understanding specs, understanding character development, and how to persuade and teach and tell a story with just your voice in the microphone.


And what are some tips for that? I mean, it’s it’s amazing because I never once even thought that the differences in voice what it could do for the feeling of the piece of creative or whatever it may be. I mean, down to even music can do that. I mean, one of the biggest things that you learn on how to control that.


Well breathing so learning different breathing techniques, that using your ears because you’re your own director. That’s the hardest part. I think when you’re doing auditions or you’re doing sessions, especially when you’re at home alone. You’re your own director. So you having to understand how to separate yourself at times from you in the moment being that character or whatever you’re doing for commercials, whatever it is, to also having to be the director to say yea or nay on one thing or another. So I mean, like I said, with breathing and having to learn how to be your own director, understanding your voice, mic etiquette, your surroundings, understanding a script, there’s so many intricate pieces that go into being a voice actor, that most people don’t really understand. I think we kind of understand it more with on camera actors were able to see it more, we’re able to follow them on Instagram or Twitter or wherever it is, and get the behind the scenes. But with voiceover, you don’t really know or see that most people I talk to don’t even know what voiceover is. And I always say, you know, when you hear a voice on radio, you know, commercials. And that said, like,


oh, oh, that’s, that’s cool.


Yeah, that’s pretty good. Like you do that. Okay, cool. So, but there’s little intricate steps that matter. And also, once you get to understanding each of those things, it’s also about continuing that understanding, gathering that education for yourself. And practicing, practicing, practicing. Because you can fall on the wayside LA and the Hollywood scene, and the industry itself is ever changing, like ever changing. So having to understand where that wave is going, which direction or which vocally, they’re looking for and know, like commercials, for example, commercials used to be really, I don’t wanna say like, robotic. Yeah, but they were pretty. You knew what the commercial that was on, because the voice telling you sounded like this, the inflection went up and also went down. Yeah. Now it’s your guy next door. It’s your usual like, just homey that you’re chilling with. And it’s usually what they say in the specs. It’s conversational. It’s relax. It’s chill. And that’s what you usually hear when you hear commercials. But that wave is always changing. So understanding things like that is huge to actually being a genuinely bookable and workable voice actor, which I’m happy and proud to say that I am


that that’s awesome. You know, we’ve had to reschedule this, because you got booked up by


cool, man, it’s cool. It’s fun. I do a lot of video games as well. And that’s been like, the staple of my career has been video games. Really? Yeah, it’s been really, really fun. I didn’t mean to really get into it. And I just once again kind of stepped into it. And with just went with it. So


how did that happen? Because I think anyone that most people would love to be part of the whole process, whether it’s developing it that whatever it may be, I mean, how did that that volunteer lap? And how have you kind of excelled that at that little niche,


man, honestly, it took me years leading up. So I didn’t put my first video game until 2017. My first big video game was Injustice 2 DC fighting. Yeah, and I was the voice of Black Manta and Black Lightning. And that was the coolest opportunity that I could ever have that because I got to be on Warner Brothers lot and in their studios recording for one of their biggest games. But how I got it was of course, the practicing leading up to that point. But having an agent and also having demo reels. That’s something that most people don’t really realize as well with voiceover, the intricate steps. So all that practicing then led me to creating demo reels, those demo reels are able to help me acquire an agent, which I was able to acquire. Once I have the agent, they help me we work together to get the word out about who I am and what I can do. But having a demo reel and having an agent was how I got to that point. That’s how I got the audition. But once I got into the studio, and once you’re able to immerse yourself into these characters. That’s where all of the fun comes in. Because you get to be somebody else. Yeah, completely different than you. So the first day I did the voice of Black Manta, and I didn’t know what to expect. I knew a Black Manta and Aquaman and I thought it was really cool that I got to do it. But I I went in nervous, a little shaky and I had our session that I had to do and 300 plus lines and all these things, I had to be ready for him. But when I got to stand behind the microphone and just loosey goosey a little bit, the director on the other side and the technicians and I was able to just go You know what, it’s just how to have fun. I’m gonna be Black Manta, so I’m gonna I’m gonna embody that character. I’m gonna be him. Yeah, so my voice said similar right here. And they had all the sound effects afterwards when I put the helmet on and everything. And then the next day after that I did Black Lightning, and Black Lightning voice was more of my voice. And so I got to still be a little bit like myself, but I was able to just have fun. So with all these intricate pieces in the getting the video games, the one biggest note is to go in and have a lot of fun because it’s video games. Yeah, it is a lot of fun. So,


yeah, that I mean, as you’re doing whatever it is that you love doing, you should be having fun doing otherwise it’s not. It’s not fun. No, that’s not what you should be doing in your day to day. I mean, if you’re really grinding all the time, it shouldn’t be doing it for something that you don’t really enjoy.


Exactly, exactly


outside of the video games. And what are some other big titles or things that you’ve done?


I was the voice for Tilted Kilt, the restaurant that’s going to handle their commercials. I’m the voice of the Arizona Diamondbacks. So all the commercials all the commercials you hear and see are all me. Mad. Also the commercials for the radio and TV stuff on the Chandler tourism voice. I’ve done a lot of mini radio commercials here and there as well. So it’s been cool. Yeah, they’re really cool.


And so most of our sounds like a lot of the gigs are getting our big studios and whatnot, a lot of our audiences, a lot of the small medium sized business owners and whatnot. They’re getting more into the creative side. And when it comes to Oh, old, throw script together and get a read, it’ll be good. But that obviously doesn’t provide any any good conversion volume, it doesn’t. It’s not the way to go about it. So if someone were to be thinking about a commercial or whatever it may be, what are some things that they should be thinking through that they can come to you for you to then do better? So that the commercial is better?


Ooh, okay. Okay. That’s a good question. Man. I have to say, understanding your audience, obviously, putting together a script, and just trying to get it out there and recorded if you don’t understand who your audience is, that point that you’re trying to make whatever you’re trying to sell that service you have might not come across the way you hope it would. Just throwing it together. My recommendation is to read and watch many, many other commercials read their scripts, as well. Whether you’re creating commercials, are you creating your own podcast? are you creating your own animated series at home or you’re doing whatever you want to do short films, that kind of stuff, read other people’s scripts, and watch as many other things that are like what you want to make. Otherwise, putting something together willy nilly really isn’t going to get what you have sold. So I recommend reading doing everything beforehand. I like to screen write as well, myself. And so like I’ll write I like to write TV shows, I have a little mini series on Instagram called the Freddy and Reggie show. It’s a two and a half minute long miniseries, I have a lot of fun. And I just I’ve always post characters. But anyways, before writing everything down before coming up and creating what I want to create, I look at the other outlets that I have, everything we have is right in front of us on our phone, our tablets, our laptops. So I say do massive amounts of research, even for the smallest of commercial for your small business, even here in Arizona, do the research on what’s what’s around and what’s out there, what’s marketing well with certain audiences and what isn’t, and to really, really understand your audience, but it’s about the small steps. Like I said, you know, voiceover is so intricate steps. Same thing with developing whatever it is you want to develop. And also also choosing the right voice. I do a lot of things here in Arizona, thankfully, because I’ve met a lot of people along the way. Yeah. But not everybody can do voiceover. I’m gonna say right now on the record, I can just jump into it. Um, it takes all those steps to do it. So finding the right voice for what you’re looking for as well. matters, because you can have a great script, and you can have the best visuals and just Oh, man, you put all your money and time and your effort into it. But man, is that voice sound like this when he’s trying to sell your super cool service. And he would do it really cheap, though. So you got him. So I would say yeah, take those small steps, take a step back. And make sure you choose what you’re doing is what you really want to do when it comes to how you’re selling yourself and your product.


And do you help companies with that at all. And there they might be this audience want to reach, we don’t know how we want it to sound, here’s the script, Do you help go through that? Or,


actually, it doesn’t really go like a process where like I’m sitting down before it usually behind the mic when they’re like, here’s what we have. But feel free to add lib if you’d like and here’s like the character or the structure we want. But feel free to enhance because you know what you’re doing. And that’s nice, because then I feel like I’m able to embody what the brand is looking for. But then also be able to put my own fun spin on it. And also be me in the mix of it all, which is huge. I mean, a lot of things that come across my my laptop as well. Sometimes they don’t fit who I am. And so I don’t I don’t read for everything. But yeah, I get to work with each company that I work with, honestly, and get to just put a good spin on it. Because I understand what I what I’d like to hear it even as an audience member. Yeah, it’s for these for these companies. I’m also gonna be an audience member for you. So here’s what I think is an audience member of how this sounds you want something more serious and epic. But yeah, what if you want something a little more lighthearted and relaxed. And so I’ll give them different ABC takes and that kind of stuff. But I usually get to work with each company that I work with closely to help develop what they’re looking for. So yeah.


Pretty cool. Actually.


Kind of cool just explaining.


This is Yeah.


That’s awesome. And I mean, obviously, your grandma’s a huge part of you getting into what you’re doing now. How much is she still part of that process? Or how proud of she of you, you know, for getting to where you’re at now you’re booking you’re getting paid to actually do what it is that she kind of recommended? I mean, what what does that look like now?


I mean, it’s cool. She’s still one of my biggest supporters. I’m every family member, a huge supporter because I was when I was a kid. I wanted to be big and famous. I wanted to be like Will Smith. Chris Rock, and there’s a whole bunch as a list of dudes that I wanted to be just like, ever since I was a little kid. So for me to still achieve my dream in the industry is huge. And so the fact that my family has always been behind me no matter what man is humbling, because not everybody has family members, or friends or partners in life, or I have three kids, as well, like we know we don’t A lot of people don’t have that there’s so many people that don’t have that support and that structure to help them move forward to achieve the dream that they want to have. And no matter what it’s in and for myself with going into entertainment. Entertainment is a tough road. Very tough, very, very taxing on your mental on your body, on your emotions. And so to have the support that I’ve always had, and to still have it is huge. I know that recently with my everything going on in the world, my family and I have had some odd odds and ends with each other. But ultimately, I still love them. And they still love me. And we still support each other. So but to have that is huge. At home, I have my partner, Joanna and I have three kids, Ryan, my daughter, Easton, my middle son, and then Johnny’s my little guy. And, man, if I didn’t have them, either, I don’t think I’d be where I’m at right now, as well. Because before having kids before my life the way it is now, I was really lost. I was very confused. And I understood where I wanted to go. But I didn’t have what I think I really needed to steer me in the right direction. And ultimately, it was that love from having a family, people that I want to support. And people that look up to me little ones that look up to me and what I do, which is really cool. In so many different aspects, you know, from one aspect for my kids playing the video games up their dad is in


that that would be cool.


That’s a lot of fun. And then also, me following my dreams, and feeling confident and telling my kids what they should definitely follow their dreams, they should absolutely do what they want to do in life. And I’ll be right there every step of the way to help them with anything and everything they need to achieve that dream. Because I had it. So I want that from my kids as well. So being able to do what I do is it does pay the bills it I mean, I’m happy to be making money off of my voice and able to talk and make money. And that’s an amazing thing. And I’m able to keep my family afloat as well. But just the fact that I had the dream that I had. And now it’s reality. Mm hmm. That’s cool. Yeah, it took it took years it takes time. But that that’s huge. So I’m grateful and humbled by the support that I have.


That’s awesome. I mean, everything great. It takes time. Yeah, I mean, as you mentioned, just in the entertainment industry, I mean, it’s it’s not a nine to five I mean dimebag stuff it could be a give me a nine I mean it all over the place. You have three kids, how do you balance the time with them time towards a career building yourself up time? I mean, it’s it all comes down to how you’re allocating your time, but how do you how do you go about that


man, prioritizing and which I’m not gonna lie, I’m not the best person. I’m not the best person. That’s the perfect structure that I have this 10 step formula on how to do that at all. Honestly, it’s just about prioritizing what matters to me. Daily, I’m working on voiceovers daily. I’m working on writing daily. I’m reading daily. I’m in my studio daily, in my studio working, grinding meeting people sending emails, reading scripts that I don’t have to read, practicing behind my mic, changing up everything that I’m doing daily, putting the time man but like I mentioned, I do have three kids. And so how do I balance the time between having a partner, my three kids my career, anything I want to do on the side friendships, to list as an adult, it’s as an adult is tough. But my daughter yesterday asked me if I liked being an adult Actually, it was kind of


random. What was your answer?


Well, my answer was that I loved it. But that it was a lot of responsibility. Yeah. Because of X,Y,Z I listed off all those different things I you know, having a partner myself, my own mental health, my children’s mental health, how they do their day, what they eat in their day, how they’re dressing, they read, what they’re doing, where they are, all this list of other things on top of my career on top of my partner, Joanna, on how she’s feeling, how her mental health is, and my being a good man in her life. But those are the lists and lists and lists. So how to balance that out is prioritizing what matters and what matters in the moment. Because life in the day is ever changing. That’s just like Hollywood, our normal lives are ever changing. So I plan the best that I can from my days. But I don’t guarantee myself that I’m going to get every single thing I want to get done. But what I do make sure of is that I’m in my studio daily working that I spend time with my kids even if I’m sitting there playing Legos, or playing video games, we’re out hiking, which we’ve been doing a lot recently. Whatever it is, we’re going on playing ball, we’re going swimming no matter what it is I spend time with my kids. And then with my partner, I make sure I spend time with her the universe, the short amount of time that we get to talk about life, how our days were, what’s going on what our plans are, how do you feel, and then my own mental health, I get up in the morning, I meditate, I read, I drink plenty of water, I get my day started. Just water, just water baby, just just water. I get my day started. Nice and easy, so that I can go into my day focused and ready because with kids and with an ever changing world, I have to try my best to fit in where I can. And even with what I’m doing now with voiceovers. It’s it’s something that I have to keep up with. I sway on the wayside on accident and, and not focus on what to focus on and not book those jobs. And not be in video games and not making money and not making my dream continue to come true. So prioritizing is huge. And the the changing of the priorities as well, juggling that it’s difficult. It really is. But it’s worth it.


Yeah, I mean, I’m going through it. I mean, very similar. Right now I have a little one on the way a couple weeks away. And you know, just how much time is going were really auditing that that’s something that I’m working on. And it’s just been a question I’ve been asking recently. Because it’s I mean, it’s drug grinding, it’s easier to wear, it could be 99% of your time goes to that and then and then else falls by the wayside. And now you don’t have a family that is there and loving you because you’re not there for them. Right. But figuring out how to kind of manage that is I mean, I feel like it’s always gonna be ever changing and having to figure it out. So do you actually, like beginning of the day, you have like time chunks of where you want to spend that word studio family and then whatever falls within those


categories? Absolutely. Yeah, actually. Congratulations, by the way. Thank you. Yeah, and, yeah, I have a to do list every day. Um, the key things I need to get done, whether it’s phone calls, it’s appointments, to do things, emails, recording, specific recordings, that kind of stuff that matters. But yeah, I try to alot certain chunks of the day, especially the morning. I’m not the best at getting up every single morning, right on time, but five o’clock in the morning, up and moving and grooving so I can get coffee made. And get in the studio, get the lights on, get outside a little bit, get some fresh air on my face, and then try and get as much as I can done in the studio before kids are awake and do what I can, whether it’s recording the Freddie and Reggie show, or it’s getting all of my auditions done. And then same thing with my kids at some point, I try to find a point in time where I can spend time with either each individual kid or all three at the same time. Which is easier to ultimately save time. But I mean, even if it’s taking you know, 30 minutes and sitting on the ground in the living room playing Legos with Johnny or playing some video games with my middle son Ethan or going outside and throwing frisbees, right and throwing frisbee, we’d go outside and do frisbee and it was my daughter, I’d be getting her in the studio with me and practicing voiceovers as well. And so that’s if I can find little spaces of time I try my best. But yes, it’s about trying to find it. And in making that time because I have it no matter what I have it nothing really takes precedence over my family. So I’m going to have it and I make it regardless. So that’s my hands or keep the microphone around. Anyways, it’s Yeah, it’s about making the time I know I have it. And so for your journey, I would recommend if you already write down things to get done. But writing down spending time with Yes, it’s actually something I have to write down sometimes we’re it’s video games at this time, if I mentioned a certain thing, or we’re going swimming at 4pm, you also have four you got me, okay, and making sure I have that down, I have alarm set for myself. So I know I’m done working or I’m done doing house things or whatever it is. And I tend to my my time with my kids. So once again, prioritizing


and it’s what it always comes down to. And I mean, when it comes to just voiceover in general. I mean, it’s that’s communicating. And I think communicating is at the key to parents getting things done. I mean, as a business, you got to communicate the values of brain the problems that you saw when it comes to time with your children and your family. I mean, communicating is is key. I mean, is communication at the focal point of what you’re trying to teach your kids. I mean, when as they’re growing up knowing how how important it is just that single word or how the tone in which you say something, I mean could change the entire feeling of the audience that’s receiving that message. Is that something that that you’re practically teaching them?


Absolutely, like? Absolutely. I think the nice thing about having the voiceover background is understanding. You mentioned the word inflection and how I’m saying things what I’m saying which words I’m using, with that communication with my with my career with my agents and stuff like that. Totally different than when I go to my kids as well when it’s actively teaching them What I’m saying is what I mean. And vice versa, what you say is what you mean. And so choosing your words properly dubbed voice and by inflection of my voice, not to sound condescending, or to sound rude or to come off angry or frustrated, those things matter. I mean, kids pick up on these essential tones and these words. So I mean, choosing everything you say, and do wisely the best that we can. Because we’re human. We’re going to have troubles and issues and some days, I just don’t want to. And we were all there, we’re all been there. So but teaching my kids how to understand that, but how to communicate as well. When they feel a certain way, whether it’s good or it’s bad, how to feel open with myself and, and their mom as well, I mean, have been able to feel open enough to discuss whatever it is you need and want to discuss with us. It’s huge, we are teaching our kids so young about that, because as an adult, I’ve definitely seen myself be very closed off to a lot of people, friends and family, just because I felt like I was maybe in the way or the you know, I’m bothering or whatever it is. And so I wasn’t open. And key times I needed to be when there was a life, something in life that was changing or happening that I needed help with, or guidance or coaching, that I could have just turned to the people that loved me the most, and I didn’t. And so with my kids, I we actively teach them that on a regular basis to always feel open to communicate with us. Because otherwise we don’t know, as another thing that my grandma would always teach us that if you don’t say anything, I don’t know. So we are absolutely teaching our kids to communicate properly, which will trickle down and help them in their careers and their friendships and their relationships and stuff like that. So it’s huge. But yeah, with voiceover and communicating as well. I mean, that’s, that’s what I do. Yeah, is what I’m communicating with, I’m communicating a story or I’m communicating a product or communicating a character’s point of view, having the ability to understand that, and then embodying embodying that in my everyday life as well, the way I’m communicating with others, how I’m holding myself the inflection of my voice, the words that I’m using, it all matters, it’s something that I’m still learning daily. Because every day it’s a battle of positivity versus negativity is a battle of understanding versus no misunderstanding. So it’s a daily battle to get through it. But I mean, I’m still growing myself to better my communication skills, and the better the verbiage and words that I use in career and with family and everything else around. So yeah,


yeah, that’s really cool. I think there’s a lot of adults that can take some of that that be open, they don’t know how to communicate, there’s a lot of adults out there that struggle with it. And it’s tough. I’m a huge numbers guy, that’s I you know, data and analytics helps show whether the creative well, who we’re targeting, is working. Is there anything that you do to reflect to keep yourself accountable? I mean, if you’re, if you’re working on how you’re communicating and all that, is there anything that you look at to I’m doing better, I’m learning how to do this better, because maybe there’s there’s less back and forth during emails or during the onboarding time, or whatever that may look like? Is there anything that you’re doing and what is that they are looking at, to really audit, whether you are bettering your communication skills,


honestly, it’s going back and taking a step back and looking at everything in front of me that is once again, prioritizing, so properly prioritizing, and also properly understanding the communications tools that you have in front of you. That’s something that I think everyone leans on one side or another, as far as communication, whether it’s, you know, phone calls, text emails, and whether you’re speaking to friends, family, or coworkers, or studio execs or producers, excuse me, properly understand the community, the communication tools that you have in front of you, is huge. So that I tried my best to grow with the world that’s changing with the way we communicate how we communicate, and prioritize in which the ways in which I communicate. So once again, I’m I’m calling back right back to the intricate step. So writing everything down, I write everything down, I have a little spot under my under my desk at my studio, where I have a stack of note cards, a stack of post its and then a whole bunch of pens. So I write down pretty much everything. And so I can prioritize properly not forgetting the moment, miscommunicate or not communicate at all when it comes to a recording or to an audition or to a session that I need to chime into on Skype or with source connect or whatever it is, and that’s your money. And that’s your way people view you. So being on top of it matters, but understanding the communication tools that you have in front of you and choosing what’s what best works for you and your business is huge as well. So I would say definitely take the time to do the intricate steps. If writing things down helps if it’s you’re already on your computer, using your notes as your own If you have it or whatever it is, that can help you keep track of all of these things, because every day for everybody is chaotic. Let’s be real. Yeah, we’re just adults only more chaotic, we don’t know what we’re doing. We’re just trying to get through the day. We’re all faking it till we make it. And so if the best we can do things a little bit better is just to keep track of the way we’re communicating and how we communicate. And the way in which the world is changing with communication, that will change how you receive work and how you are able to get your brand out there or get your business out there. Or even just be a good son or grandson. Yeah, so keep prioritizing keep keeping track of everything. Like I said, if you can write down stuff, write down things. So that’s, that’s what I recommend huge if you can’t get it definitely keeps me imbalanced. No, not unbalanced. Keeps me balanced. Yeah, okay. Keeps me balanced, the best that I can do these days. But like I said, we’re all adults, just trying to fake it till we make it as well. So also, don’t be afraid to reach out to others, whether it’s a mentor or someone else that’s doing what you’re doing. So if you open up a new business say, you know, I want to do my own little creative agency as well on the side and Chandler and, but I don’t really understand exactly how to do it. I’ll come to you guys. And I can feel free to open up and be able to communicate, hey, I don’t know exactly what I’m doing. It’s okay to say that it’s alright. To say these things because it’s okay cuz everyone was at a lower point at some point. So although you guys have an amazing, amazing agency here, and and the creative the creativity that you have going on, at one point, it wasn’t where it is now. Yeah. Totally. So it’s all good as somebody when you’re down here, hey, how do I get up here? Yeah, cuz then it you can get the real life understanding from someone’s point of view that’s already been through it. So we shouldn’t fear asking for help. We shouldn’t fear reaching out for an understanding as to better my business brand, deal, or just as a person. We shouldn’t be fearful of that whatsoever.


So mentorship has been a huge talking point or topic that’s come up on previous episodes. I mean, do you currently have a mentor? Yeah,


Yeah, I do. Um, his name is Jason Spisak. He’s a fellow voice actor. He’s in a Young Justice, Kid Flash. He’s been in Warner Brothers, he’s got a new movie called intersect to get it on Apple, or Amazon or wherever you get movies, a new movie out as well. And with Jason Spisak. He lives here in Arizona, but he’s a voice actor. He’s been in the industry for years, and I met him, it’s gonna be through my old agent, and he’s been my mentor for a few years now. It’s been huge. He is always a big reminder of that, if I continue to work hard, I continue to stay focused. And even when things fall off a cliff, it’s okay, because as long as I’m willing to climb back up, now, I’ll get right back on track, if not even better. So I kudos to Jason Spisak. For being someone that’s been a huge part of my voiceover journey, as still as a mentor today, that is always able to be relatable, and help me understand my journey, as well. So it’s huge. Yeah go Jason. Absolutely.


I mean, they’ve been in it for a while. I mean, they have a ton of wisdom, they have a ton of knowledge that you can siphon from and you can learn it in a month or two, rather than taking the three for 10 years that took for them to learn it. And so yeah, a huge on mentorship as well. But you mentioned been there after you’ve fallen off one of the steepest cliffs and, and and whatnot, what has been one of those steepest close for you as you’ve been trying to hone in on your skills, prioritize time, just really building your business. What’s been one of those biggest clips, and what have you learned from that? Oh,


man, well, trying to be in the Hollywood entertainment industry is difficult when you’re not in Hollywood. So, honestly, going back to 2015, I moved back to Arizona, I’m living in LA and I was broke. And I had not a whole lot going on anymore. And so I moved back, I got a job over here at BJs and Chandler at the brew house. And it’s where actually I met my partner now Joanna, okay. But I moved back and live with my parents, so I can save some money. And then six months later, go back to LA and just hit it hard. But we actually got pregnant. Okay. And so that changed the whole game. Because I didn’t know what to do. I was 22 years old, and I didn’t have kids. I didn’t plan to have kids. I didn’t understand what I needed to do next. And I also didn’t reach out for help. And so I should have because it helped me. But that was I want to say it’s a clip for my career because I wanted to give up because I felt like I had failed myself in some sort of way, which was silly. At such a young at such a young age. I didn’t really understand life and the world around me to be honest. And so I mean, 2015 that year changed my life. trajectory for my career. My plan was six months from now I’m going to, I’m going to go move back to LA and I’m just going to go. And instead, I stayed here, I took on a course have, we have Easton, and then my daughter, Ryan, my daughter, Ryan, she was already with, with Joanna as well. And so I took on the father role as well with her, we got a home here, and we made it work. And we created our own family. And so my focus was then my family. But on the side, I was still focused on voiceover, but my, my, my stepping down point was that I let my depression anxiety, my frustrations and everything really, really get to me. Cuz I suddenly felt like I said, like, I failed myself, like my dream is gone, which was not the case, actually, my dream only got better because of that, but I was so deep in the dumps. So down on myself, and I had this ripple effect from that point on for man, until maybe earlier this year, honestly, that I had, I was battling my depression to battling battling anxiety I’ve been into I’ve been in a mental institution for a short time as well. And I had a couple of different mental breakdowns over the past five years, that weren’t pleasant, that only hurt myself and my family at times. Great, I’m very grateful that we were able to learn and grow together through it all. Without my family, I wouldn’t I would not have gotten through the things that have gotten through. So I guess my cliff wasn’t just and it just I just kept pushing myself off a cliff. Every year, I will find ways to just keep diving down into this hole. And wasn’t until earlier this year, once COVID actually hit that we were at home all the time, yeah, with each other together. Because leading up to COVID, I was serving tables as well. And we’re bartending and so a lot of my days were at work, and then I come home, and I’d also grind with do and then I go to work and my time with my kids was very sparse and small. And in between, and yeah, my daughter would be at school, and then I pick her up and then 30 minutes later, I’m gone at work for all night. And then I come home and I sleep all morning. And and so it wasn’t until COVID hit that actually had time. And and so I was able to pull myself out of that hole and go, Okay, here we go. It’s been five years, I’m doing really cool stuff. This is great. But I can lose it like that if I don’t really continue to try. And I lose my family like that if I don’t continue to try and get better and learn and grow from that. And so like I said, my cliff wasn’t just one it was. So it was several Yeah. And until now where I feel like I’ve climbed back up that cliff, and I’m climbing this next mountain, to achieve not only my goals in life, but to achieve becoming a better father, a better man, a better person in society. And all of the above. And so in so many, so many other ways. So man, yeah, overcoming the things that I’ve been able to overcome, and my family to be with me every step of the way to grab my arms when I was down and lift me back up to keep moving forward. I man, very grateful.


That’s awesome. I mean, with the time opening up when COVID hit I mean, it sounds like mean, you couldn’t go work in the restaurant, did that open enough time to then really pursue the voiceover that much harder? And I mean, looking back, do you think that maybe there’s some opportunity costs in terms of I need this job because it puts food on the table. Now while I’m building a side hustle or now it’s kind of like the rug was pulled from under you is forced you to put more time into this. And now that you put more time into it, where it’s off to the races.


Yeah, that’s exactly it. Actually. In the beginning. I didn’t know what to expect. I mean, who was everyone was kind of confused on what to expect with it. Yeah, I thought it was two weeks. And I’m like, Okay,


let’s take a vacation, I guess. Yeah,


worry about it. But when it’s done when the time grew, and I realized at the industry as well changed, it completely changed. And so I didn’t I wasn’t getting any auditions because no one within studio no one was recording anything that was filming. So I had nothing. So one point when it seemed to get really scary was when I didn’t have the restaurant to go to anymore, which I’ve always worked in restaurants. I don’t have an education as far as a degree. Yeah, for anything else. And then the one thing I was really good at, also just stopped. So I didn’t know what to do. And but my mindset was okay, well, obviously Hollywood’s not going to disappear. Yeah, games commercials, everything’s gonna be back. So what can I do right now? And so I would work with my agents on so what can I do now? He said, just read, read, get your scripts that you already have from other auditions. Whenever you get something of course, but practice, continue to practice, work out your lungs work out your your vocal cords, you know, get better at understanding these these different things like Alright, fine. So I had much more time to put into my career, I had much more time to put into my family, and much more time to put it into my mental health to the huge aspect of me understanding how to be better and to not have the fear of failure. Because that plagued me about I mean, when COVID hit, there was a lot of good but there was a short time where I think I was so scared that I once again failed, and that there was no way I could pick us back up, there was no random gig that I can get or that I met this guy, I’m a follow up so I can hopefully book and do their commercial and maybe we’ll get some money that way. And I can continue my career and there wasn’t that I didn’t know what to do. And so I was I was down there, but having the time to work on my career, be with my family, be with my partner, and in our relationship and work on that. And then, of course, with my career, my my, my partner, she changed my studio around three times in the past


months, she has more time.


Oh, yeah, it’s been great. And so she’s actually been able to help me better my surroundings. Now my studio was set up for success, for me to be an actual full time working voice actor, not only here in Arizona, but in LA. And so my mentor always tells me tells me to remind myself that I’m a working voice actor in LA, I’m a working actor in LA did not forget that whenever I’m down, just go, you know, I’ve already achieved it. So I gotta keep it going. Yep. But COVID did open up that time for us. So I know that COVID was up and down. And there’s mixed reviews for a lot of different people. Everyone had different things going on in their lives. But from my family, and I, it actually was a blessing only in the sense that we had time. Yep, of course, everything else in the world around us was chaotic. And we had to adapt along with everyone else in our another family of friends. And here go my hands again in front of the mic.


I’m getting into what it is.


But COVID did help us grow as a family in my career. Yeah, honestly, I can, I can comfortably say that right now where I’m at with my career, I can stay right here focused on my career. And my partner, she works over at Dutch Bros here in Arizona too, and which is really cool. And she we actually have a really good dynamic, my daughter started in a new school. Um, so she’s in person now doing school in my son’s city right behind her and the dynamic that we’ve been able to find with our family, we found it. And so like, it’s humble, humbled by that, that we have a really good dynamic and that COVID. And this time that’s going on is as we’ve been able to adapt to the changed, the change has been going on. So


yep, no, the I mean, COVID, it’s not good, the negative impact that has had, but I think there’s a lot of positive that has happened. And it’s, it’s forced people to I mean, I think things were just too good people got complacent, and it didn’t have to innovate and create. And I think that’s what it causes. There’s a quick disruption. I mean, us as people as humans, it’s, we’re not gonna let ourselves fails. Now, we just got to think of different ways to make it happen. And, and some people make it some people don’t. But I’ve seen more and more people that were on the positive end of it, where, yeah, it sucked for two weeks, four weeks, whatever it was, but I realized that time must go on. So I got to put dinner on the table and whatnot. And whether it’s changing the business model, changing how to reach customers, and it just creates innovation, which I love.


Yes, of course, and especially for people that have a desire to be in the arts, I’ve seen a lot of my friends that took on the, you know, the computer graphics, and they decided to start doing what they wanted to do, that are creating art that are musicians, and they’re putting out their songs, or they’re producing their songs, and they’re talking about it, and they’re happy about it, or my actor, friends or my friend is just still doing short films, because he wants to be a director is going to school for for for that industry. And so he’s still pushing, but now he’s been able to get himself up and do it. And that’s really cool to see that people with these desires to be in the arts. That this created an opportunity for everyone to go. Okay, I guess I do have some extra time.


Yeah, I guess I do


have an hour a day, do it into what I want to do. Because before, like a lot of us, we weren’t doing anything towards our dream. So even put in that one hour a day, or whatever it is that little bit of time changed the dynamic for a lot of people that I know, which is really cool. Yep. Because I would see all of my friends that like talented, and that want to do something that want to start their business or that want to do a production company, or they want to do X, Y and Z. And they’re doing it. Yeah. And that’s cool. And so the glad that it was a little wake up call for everybody to get going and create it and to make it happen. Because even if it doesn’t, you know, pay all your bills right now we keep going and absolutely, you’ll achieve exactly what you’re looking for. So and I’m proud of a lot of people that I know that have taken those steps in the right direction, because it takes time, but it takes that that leap of faith to actually get started on something.


Absolutely. A lot of people that are that are doing and chasing their dream. Now it sounds like it’s gonna happen to you after COVID but now you’re up. You’re rocking, rolling. Now you’re getting more gigs. What does the next three to six months look like for you? What are you working on? What are you trying to do to to grow your business? Well, I’m


actually trying to look into smaller markets all across the US. So looking at markets in Colorado, like Seattle, Miami, New York, of course, Austin, Dallas, I mean all over the spectrum, to look into getting representation in those markets. So that I can have more options and opportunity comm for voiceovers that way, everyone’s got commercials whether it’s radio or TV, even locally in their own states in their own cities, and not everywhere has a professional voice actor, I guess been what I’ve noticed being here in Arizona, I’ve been able to do so much work because I’m one of the only ones here in the state. Yeah. Which is really cool. And a great grateful for the opportunity. And so I’m looking for that all across the US also working on breaking into promos, TV promos for different you know, episodic things you like coming up next Yeah, kind of seven coming up next on Nickelodeon, that kind of stuff. Anyways, So I do all that kind of stuff with with my with my voiceovers and that avenue. So booking, getting the promo going across the US like a small markets. And then I do have a little mini episodic things that I’m working on one I have a few episodes out on Instagram and on YouTube called the Freddy and Reggie show. It’s two seagulls that are friends that just have too much to say. And so it’s a voice both characters, they just sit out on the beach and enjoy their day while they discuss whatever topic they got going on. Episode dropping later this week as well with a friend of mine, Cody. And so it’ll be really cool to continue to work on that. And then I have another series that I’m working on this a little mini episodic series called Thunder Button Dilly once again, voice in both characters, and it’s going to be about two weird and off putting superheroes that try their best to take on the bad guys. But yeah, so it’s really cool to have like little things I get to do on the side as well. to further my career, even things like the Freddie and Reggie, but like these little things, um, it’s great because content is showcasing my ability. And that’s different than waiting on the audition to call and the booking the come I’m going to put out what I want, I really want to get booked on everything I audition for Yeah, I don’t which is okay, because that’s how it goes. But man creating my own stuff. If I’m I don’t want to keep waiting for something to come my way. I’m gonna create my own stuff and staff to, which has been a lot of fun. So that’s those are my next steps. And my whole voiceover journey. So the next three to six months, they look pretty good. And I like a lot of fun. Because every day I’m working on something brand new and ridiculous. So


I love it. I can’t wait to see it. Well, I mean, we’ll be we’ll be reaching out because I mean, actually did the State 48 video, just very, very cinematic. But they’re got us thing is like, man, why don’t we do a sweet little like, just literally almost like a movie trailer. But it serves as a commercial for the agency and kind of flex on a couple different things with the voiceover. I mean, it’s there’s a lot that we can do. So I think there’s a lot in our pipeline that we want to get done. And I think it would be great to have you joined. Because I mean, like you said, there’s only one other voiceover person that I know, in Arizona, who I actually just got introduced to a couple weeks ago. Okay, um, and so there just isn’t a whole lot. I mean, we use even hate to say it, but Fiverr to go on when it’s only 10 bucks. But to your point, it’s, it’s very generic voiceover it gets. It sounds better than all of us. But I mean, it gets it gets the job done. But it’s awesome to know that. Yeah, your here as a resource.


And I’m happy and I’m grateful for the opportunity. I didn’t realize what I had in front of me with not understand this isn’t L.A. so there’s not 100,000 other people trying to go to the same thing. Find a man. Exactly. So hey, I’m here now. And so anyone out there that needs a voice, I’m happy to be a part of whatever brand service, anything you got going on, especially because if you’re if you’re local as well, I would love to be able to be a part of the journey that everyone has, like with State 48 like you guys with Santa ball, and everyone else I get to work with James agency as well. And like it’s really cool to be a part of local entities. Yeah, and watching them grow and build and because I was born and raised here, but seeing Arizona transformed the way it has, and the small businesses that are still thriving and pushing even after COVID It’s so beautiful to get to see. So if in any way I get to be a part of that, whether I get to be a client or I am just an audience member or buying and using your product or service like I’m happy to be a part of that. I’m empowering other people like that. So yeah, now I’m ready all about it as well. I


mean, I grew up in Yuma. Never lived anywhere else and yeah, I’m all about Arizona.


Man, it matters it matters I thought I was gonna be a thought I was gonna be an Arizona kid only until like I was 18 then I was gonna go find something else. Move to the waves in LA in Hollywood. And there was a hard man always so I’m grateful for this opportunity that I got to even have today like this is this is cool i for anyone at home getting to watch all this is really cool. I’m grateful for this. Really.


Yeah. And for any brand or company or anyone that needs to hire a voiceover I mean, how can they reach you?


A couple different ways. You can go to my Instagram I’m big on Instagram, not so much Twitter or Facebook. So Instagram. You can go my Instagram and my link tree in my bio, you’ll be able to click on my IMDb or my personal website. And you also have access to my phone number and my email. So text call email, submit on my website, whatever works easiest shoot me a message it slide into my DM’s on IG. But there are many different ways you can get ahold of me but I’m always happy and ready and I have a home studio as well so I can easily turn around work which has been probably the best part of this journey recently is that I’ve been able to get the work and return the work. So you can get I’ll send it back of course with multiple takes ABC different styles, that kind of stuff. mp3, WAV, whatever you want. And I have a lot of different outlets to make sure that I get that job done. So yeah, IG, text, email. I’m Low-key will do. So just


love it. Well, thank you so much for your time today. I look forward to working with you a bit more because like I said, we got a lot in the pipeline that I know we’re gonna reach out to you with and yeah, appreciate you coming in. Thanks, brother.

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