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Picture this: You've just launched a digital marketing campaign that's performing beautifully. Your return on ad spend (ROAS) is hitting 5X, 6X, maybe even 7X. The excitement is palpable. Ideas start flowing. "What if we try this audience?" "Let's test that creative!" "Why don't we launch campaigns on three new platforms?"
Six weeks later, your performance has tanked. Your once-profitable campaigns are bleeding money. Sound familiar?
If you've been in digital marketing for more than a few months, you've probably lived this nightmare. The good news? There's a simple framework that can prevent this all-too-common scenario from destroying your marketing efforts.
Success in digital marketing often becomes its own worst enemy. When campaigns start performing well, the natural human response is to get creative, to innovate, to test everything under the sun. This enthusiasm, while admirable, frequently leads to what we call "testing paralysis" — where so much budget gets allocated to experimental campaigns that the core profitable activities get starved of resources.
The result? A complete performance collapse that leaves marketers scrambling to figure out what went wrong.
Mike Patterson and Dustin Trout from the Click and Mortar podcast have seen this pattern repeat countless times with their clients. Their solution? A deceptively simple framework they call the 80-20 budget rule.
The 80-20 budget rule is straightforward: allocate 80% of your marketing budget to campaigns that are already delivering strong ROI, and reserve 20% for testing new ideas, audiences, creatives, and platforms.
But here's the crucial part — you have to earn the right to implement this rule.
"Too many people come into the game wanting to test everything," explains Mike Patterson. "You have to earn the right to do that first. Stay disciplined to find that ROI, and then you can earn the right to test."
Before you can implement any budget allocation strategy, you need to establish your North Star metric. This isn't just about setting a ROAS target — it's about understanding the fundamental economics of your business.
Key questions to answer:
What ROAS do you need to break even?
What ROAS represents meaningful profitability?
How long can you sustain testing without positive returns?
What does success actually look like for your business?
For many businesses, a 4-6X ROAS represents the sweet spot where campaigns become sustainably profitable. But this varies significantly based on your industry, profit margins, and business model.
Dustin Trout emphasizes this point: "Most people don't know what that North Star metric is, let alone what it should be. Should it be a 3X ROAS? First and foremost, get an understanding of what is your North Star metric and what does breakeven look like."
What if you're just starting out and don't have any proven campaigns yet? The 80-20 rule still applies, but you need to build your foundation first.
For new campaigns, focus on:
Search intent campaigns — Target people actively searching for your product or service
Retargeting on social platforms — Capture people who've already shown interest
Your best hypothesis — Put your strongest assumption about what will work into the "80%" bucket
Expect this foundation-building phase to take 60-180 days, depending on your budget and market. During this time, you're not just spending money — you're investing in education about what works in your specific market.
Once you've identified your ROI-positive campaigns, the 80-20 rule serves as a protective framework. Here's how it works in practice:
The 80% (Your ROI Engine):
Proven campaigns that consistently hit your ROAS targets
Audiences that convert reliably
Creative assets that drive results
Platforms where you've found success
The 20% (Your Innovation Lab):
New audience segments to test
Fresh creative concepts
Experimental platforms
Different campaign objectives
The beauty of this system is that it acknowledges a fundamental truth about marketing testing: most experiments fail. Dustin Trout notes that "seven out of 10 will fail, but three out of 10 will be those five, six, seven X ROI tests that we fold into the main stuff."
The 80-20 rule isn't just about budget allocation — it's about creating a sustainable psychological framework for growth. When you know that 80% of your budget is protected and working, you can approach the 20% testing budget with the right mindset.
Benefits of this approach:
Reduced anxiety — You know your core business is protected
Better decision-making — You can objectively evaluate test results
Sustainable growth — Success funds more testing opportunities
Clear accountability — It's easy to see what's working and what isn't
As your business grows and you want to test more ideas, resist the urge to shift the ratio. Instead, increase your overall budget while maintaining the 80-20 discipline.
Want to test five new campaigns instead of two? Great — but that means you need to increase your total budget to accommodate the additional testing while still properly funding your proven winners.
This approach ensures that your growth is sustainable and that success continues to fund innovation rather than innovation undermining success.
1. Testing Too Early Don't implement the 80-20 rule until you actually have proven ROI-positive campaigns. If you're still in the foundation-building phase, focus on finding your winners first.
2. Shifting the Ratio When tests start showing promise, resist the urge to shift more budget to testing. Maintain the discipline of the 80-20 split.
3. Ignoring the Parking Lot Keep a running list of all your testing ideas. This "parking lot" approach ensures you don't forget good ideas while maintaining focus on what's working.
4. Forgetting to Graduate Winners When tests succeed, fold them into your 80% bucket. Don't let winners languish in the testing budget.
The 80-20 rule creates a compound effect over time. As successful tests graduate to your core campaigns, your 80% bucket becomes increasingly sophisticated and profitable. This improved performance generates more budget, which funds more testing, which creates more winners.
It's a virtuous cycle that builds sustainable, long-term growth rather than the boom-and-bust pattern that destroys so many digital marketing efforts.
The 80-20 budget rule is simple to understand but requires discipline to implement. Start by honestly assessing where you are:
Do you have proven ROI-positive campaigns? If not, focus on building your foundation first.
Do you know your North Star metric? If not, spend time understanding your business economics.
Are you currently over-testing? If so, it's time to implement the 80-20 discipline.
Remember, the goal isn't to eliminate testing — it's to make testing sustainable and profitable. When you earn the right to test by first achieving consistent ROI, you create the foundation for long-term success.
The 80-20 budget rule isn't just a framework for allocating money — it's a mindset for building a sustainable, profitable digital marketing operation that can weather the inevitable ups and downs of the digital landscape.
Watch the FULL EPISODE for additional insights on how often to update the creative in your digital advertising campaigns.
Watch the Full Episode on YouTube
Listen to the Full Episode on Spotify
Want personalized guidance?
Schedule a free discovery call to discuss your specific digital advertising goals:
https://link.eic.agency/widget/bookings/eic_initial_discovery_start
This article is based on insights from the Click and Mortar podcast hosted by Mike Patterson and Dustin Trout, digital marketing experts focused on helping businesses maximize their advertising ROI.
Tune in to the Brick and Mortar Podcast and start unlocking the secrets to sustained growth for your brick-and-mortar business:
Elevate your business with industry-specific insights. Our podcast host, boasting extensive experience, delivers actionable strategies tailored for your success, whether you're a startup or aiming for rapid growth.
Dive into a wealth of practical wisdom in every episode. From tried-and-tested marketing tactics to innovative customer engagement strategies, we equip you with the tools you need for immediate implementation and measurable results.
Keep yourself ahead in your field with cutting-edge strategies from Innovative Solutions. Discover novel tactics to draw in customers, bolster your online footprint, and skyrocket revenue, guaranteeing your company remains competitive in the ever-changing market of today.
Get inspired by real businesses like yours, proving that growth is achievable.
Picture this: You've just launched a digital marketing campaign that's performing beautifully. Your return on ad spend (ROAS) is hitting 5X, 6X, maybe even 7X. The excitement is palpable. Ideas start flowing. "What if we try this audience?" "Let's test that creative!" "Why don't we launch campaigns on three new platforms?"
Six weeks later, your performance has tanked. Your once-profitable campaigns are bleeding money. Sound familiar?
If you've been in digital marketing for more than a few months, you've probably lived this nightmare. The good news? There's a simple framework that can prevent this all-too-common scenario from destroying your marketing efforts.
Success in digital marketing often becomes its own worst enemy. When campaigns start performing well, the natural human response is to get creative, to innovate, to test everything under the sun. This enthusiasm, while admirable, frequently leads to what we call "testing paralysis" — where so much budget gets allocated to experimental campaigns that the core profitable activities get starved of resources.
The result? A complete performance collapse that leaves marketers scrambling to figure out what went wrong.
Mike Patterson and Dustin Trout from the Click and Mortar podcast have seen this pattern repeat countless times with their clients. Their solution? A deceptively simple framework they call the 80-20 budget rule.
The 80-20 budget rule is straightforward: allocate 80% of your marketing budget to campaigns that are already delivering strong ROI, and reserve 20% for testing new ideas, audiences, creatives, and platforms.
But here's the crucial part — you have to earn the right to implement this rule.
"Too many people come into the game wanting to test everything," explains Mike Patterson. "You have to earn the right to do that first. Stay disciplined to find that ROI, and then you can earn the right to test."
Before you can implement any budget allocation strategy, you need to establish your North Star metric. This isn't just about setting a ROAS target — it's about understanding the fundamental economics of your business.
Key questions to answer:
What ROAS do you need to break even?
What ROAS represents meaningful profitability?
How long can you sustain testing without positive returns?
What does success actually look like for your business?
For many businesses, a 4-6X ROAS represents the sweet spot where campaigns become sustainably profitable. But this varies significantly based on your industry, profit margins, and business model.
Dustin Trout emphasizes this point: "Most people don't know what that North Star metric is, let alone what it should be. Should it be a 3X ROAS? First and foremost, get an understanding of what is your North Star metric and what does breakeven look like."
What if you're just starting out and don't have any proven campaigns yet? The 80-20 rule still applies, but you need to build your foundation first.
For new campaigns, focus on:
Search intent campaigns — Target people actively searching for your product or service
Retargeting on social platforms — Capture people who've already shown interest
Your best hypothesis — Put your strongest assumption about what will work into the "80%" bucket
Expect this foundation-building phase to take 60-180 days, depending on your budget and market. During this time, you're not just spending money — you're investing in education about what works in your specific market.
Once you've identified your ROI-positive campaigns, the 80-20 rule serves as a protective framework. Here's how it works in practice:
The 80% (Your ROI Engine):
Proven campaigns that consistently hit your ROAS targets
Audiences that convert reliably
Creative assets that drive results
Platforms where you've found success
The 20% (Your Innovation Lab):
New audience segments to test
Fresh creative concepts
Experimental platforms
Different campaign objectives
The beauty of this system is that it acknowledges a fundamental truth about marketing testing: most experiments fail. Dustin Trout notes that "seven out of 10 will fail, but three out of 10 will be those five, six, seven X ROI tests that we fold into the main stuff."
The 80-20 rule isn't just about budget allocation — it's about creating a sustainable psychological framework for growth. When you know that 80% of your budget is protected and working, you can approach the 20% testing budget with the right mindset.
Benefits of this approach:
Reduced anxiety — You know your core business is protected
Better decision-making — You can objectively evaluate test results
Sustainable growth — Success funds more testing opportunities
Clear accountability — It's easy to see what's working and what isn't
As your business grows and you want to test more ideas, resist the urge to shift the ratio. Instead, increase your overall budget while maintaining the 80-20 discipline.
Want to test five new campaigns instead of two? Great — but that means you need to increase your total budget to accommodate the additional testing while still properly funding your proven winners.
This approach ensures that your growth is sustainable and that success continues to fund innovation rather than innovation undermining success.
1. Testing Too Early Don't implement the 80-20 rule until you actually have proven ROI-positive campaigns. If you're still in the foundation-building phase, focus on finding your winners first.
2. Shifting the Ratio When tests start showing promise, resist the urge to shift more budget to testing. Maintain the discipline of the 80-20 split.
3. Ignoring the Parking Lot Keep a running list of all your testing ideas. This "parking lot" approach ensures you don't forget good ideas while maintaining focus on what's working.
4. Forgetting to Graduate Winners When tests succeed, fold them into your 80% bucket. Don't let winners languish in the testing budget.
The 80-20 rule creates a compound effect over time. As successful tests graduate to your core campaigns, your 80% bucket becomes increasingly sophisticated and profitable. This improved performance generates more budget, which funds more testing, which creates more winners.
It's a virtuous cycle that builds sustainable, long-term growth rather than the boom-and-bust pattern that destroys so many digital marketing efforts.
The 80-20 budget rule is simple to understand but requires discipline to implement. Start by honestly assessing where you are:
Do you have proven ROI-positive campaigns? If not, focus on building your foundation first.
Do you know your North Star metric? If not, spend time understanding your business economics.
Are you currently over-testing? If so, it's time to implement the 80-20 discipline.
Remember, the goal isn't to eliminate testing — it's to make testing sustainable and profitable. When you earn the right to test by first achieving consistent ROI, you create the foundation for long-term success.
The 80-20 budget rule isn't just a framework for allocating money — it's a mindset for building a sustainable, profitable digital marketing operation that can weather the inevitable ups and downs of the digital landscape.
Watch the FULL EPISODE for additional insights on how often to update the creative in your digital advertising campaigns.
Watch the Full Episode on YouTube
Listen to the Full Episode on Spotify
Want personalized guidance?
Schedule a free discovery call to discuss your specific digital advertising goals:
https://link.eic.agency/widget/bookings/eic_initial_discovery_start
This article is based on insights from the Click and Mortar podcast hosted by Mike Patterson and Dustin Trout, digital marketing experts focused on helping businesses maximize their advertising ROI.
Tune in to the Brick and Mortar Podcast and start unlocking the secrets to sustained growth for your brick-and-mortar business:
Elevate your business with industry-specific insights. Our podcast host, boasting extensive experience, delivers actionable strategies tailored for your success, whether you're a startup or aiming for rapid growth.
Dive into a wealth of practical wisdom in every episode. From tried-and-tested marketing tactics to innovative customer engagement strategies, we equip you with the tools you need for immediate implementation and measurable results.
Keep yourself ahead in your field with cutting-edge strategies from Innovative Solutions. Discover novel tactics to draw in customers, bolster your online footprint, and skyrocket revenue, guaranteeing your company remains competitive in the ever-changing market of today.
Get inspired by real businesses like yours, proving that growth is achievable.
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